25% Tariff being put on all imported cars like the CTR

[Superhatch]

Communist as far as the eye can see.

I'd consider myself more of an anarcho-syndicalist if were talking about ideal states of political economies (although I understand that idea is basically impossible, but still worth striving for at small levels), but I find it rather hilarious that you think people arguing against the state using it's power to make sweeping changes to effect trade and economic relations are 'communist'. At least that's my assumption of your statement as most people who say something like that normally have no idea what they're talking about.

Those of us arguing against Tariffs are generally asking for a normalized approach to trade relations, which most of us agree haven't been very pro-US-worker over the last few decades (mainly due to politicians on both sides being bought by the major corporations in the US). In fact I would wager that most of us agree tariffs can be used as a viable tool to effect trade if done in a rational and slow approach of how to effect specific industries growth in the US. The main complaint is the inconsistent messaging and huge % applications of tariffs being doled out seemingly at random which are not only bad for car enthusiasts, but also are wreaking havoc on our own economy (which is obvious to anyone paying attention).

But, I guess..."communism" or something. Solid debate skills.

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[holland1]

I really don't think this will be any big deal. Just like the 25% chicken tax on trucks. They'll just start building them here.

I can't seem to find a site that gives a break down on all tarriffs but according to this seems like were one of the lowest currently.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/list-of-tariffs-by-country

 

[Tougefl5]

Pot, kettle.

This statement really shows your lack of understanding regarding political or economic systems and the arguments you've made previously now make much more sense.

I get how emotions can hinder all common sense. Now explain the difference between communism and a religion without making yourself look like you really have no idea what your posting

 

[us17094]

Trump took office and the economy has gone to more shit than it was. Not sure how people are defending him at this point. I equally loathe both parties but their isn't anything positive to say about anything this administration has done so far.

At the very least Biden had some watered down attempts at making things slightly better (although the dems half-measures of change don't actually enact change and they are still corporate shills like the republicans).

Both parties are corporate captured, conservative parties backed by the richest people in the country, but what's happening now is actually insane. Taking Greenland? Destroying any good will between the only two countries that border you? Telling EU to basically fuck off, telling China to fuck off? Zero statesmanship, zero geopolitical understanding. Honestly I've never seen so many mistakes happen on this scale all at once from any county. It's like I'm watching a high school conservative from Model UN try and run the country.

From an economics standpoint I understand why you would want to use tariffs to help rebuild the US mfg sector, and I actually agree with it. But you don't do them all at once, or in very large values. That's like Econ 101. Literally the first thing I learned in my econ classes at college. You make progressive changes to trade policy while at the same time bolstering the industrial sector of your country so that you are building jobs while at the same time preparing your country for higher costs. Big jumps in tariffs, applied all at once across multiple sectors, without any plan to bolster the mfg infrastructure (in fact cutting a bunch of it, see chips act reduction) is pretty much guaranteeing some form of recession. Again, literally Econ 101.

This 25% tariff, and the others which they have said were happening, then weren't happening, then were 25%, then were 10% then were only going to happen on X items....it's absolutely tactics of people who have no idea what they are doing and it's really starting to show at the base level of where our economy functions.

I work in for an industrial mfg and I oversee 9 plants around the country and have been with this company for 18 years. A LOT of our big customers have placed major projects on hold for this year due to the instability in the economy, and having no understanding of what is coming next. You'll see this from time to time in an election year but I have never seem companies pump the brakes this hard before. That means less plant expansions, less hiring at those plants, less construction around the country, less expected revenue, etc. Unless this administration starts to act rationally were in for some rough times.

I'm an older gen-X which means I've been lucky enough to build my career during (somewhat) more stable economies and have a very robust 401k, own individual stock, and have other investments and I've pulled as much as I could (even taking some losses) and put it into the safest investment vehicles I could find. I'd suggest anyone else do the same.

Lastly I'll get into something more political than economics and that's the disappearing of students and activists (legal visa holders) who have done as little as write one article in their college newspaper about why we should stop our support for Israel. Whatever you feel about that conflict is irrelevant, but as Americans what you should be upset about is masked ICE officials pulling a PhD student off the streets, hiding them away so they have no contact with lawyers or family, not charging them with anything, but implying that happened because of something they said, or wrote.

I don't see the 'freedom of speech' die hards, or the 'don't tread on me' bros getting upset about people being detained because they said things the current government doesn't like. Biden was on the verge of doing similar things, pushing universities to expel people who were protesting, or speaking out against the governments policies. But what's happening now is anti-American.

I live in WI and Musk has been pumping tons of money into our supreme court race (another thing that's super fucked about our electoral system, the ability of individuals or corporations to pump insane amounts of money into campaigns to try and influence elections) which other people have done as well. But he's now offering two 1 million dollar payouts to people who come out and prove they voted. He's since deleted the tweet but it's blatant election interference and against Wisconsin (and most states) election laws. Like most things the guy who said 'I'll end world hunger for 6B dollars if anyone can come up with a plan, who then declined to follow through after multiple groups came up with valid plans, and instead spent 44B on a social media site' does, I'm sure he's not actually going to do it, but just making the offer is against election law and it should be troubling that the richest man in the world is trying to tamper with State elections through blatantly illegal actions.

TLDR: IMO neither party cares about you, or making things better for anyone but their rich benefactors, but this current administration also has no fucking clue what they are doing and were all going to be kinda fucked if they keep on this path.

Edit: Corrected some language 2min after posting.

This summarizes several of my concerns and opinions in a better way than I could have articulated.

 

[citrus]

I get how emotions can hinder all common sense. Now explain the difference between communism and a religion without making yourself look like you really have no idea what your posting

You've obviously never even tried to open a dictionary before, so there's no point explaining it to you. In your myopic worldview, they're all just interchangeable words you use to describe things that upset your delicate sensibilities. Same goes for @Websitesdown, which is disappointing, because he sounded like he had a head on his shoulders for a moment.

Communist as far as the eye can see.

 

[coldradio1]

I get how emotions can hinder all common sense. Now explain the difference between communism and a religion without making yourself look like you really have no idea what your posting

Only if you say the same about capitalism or any other socioeconomic structure. Money is the god, the state/government is the church, and everything else falls underneath. Regardless of how you look at it, that point is irrelevant to the topic.

The point is that morons with zero understanding of economics automatically scream “CoMmUnIsM” anytime someone disagrees with them.

Lest we forget that one of the driving reasons the US declared independence was because of unjust taxes and TARIFFS. So understanding that those claiming “communism” for those that don’t agree with what’s happening, are probably on the redcoats’ side.

 

[Tougefl5]

You've obviously never even tried to open a dictionary before, so there's no point explaining it to you. In myopic worldview, they're all just interchangeable words you use to describe things that upset your delicate sensibilities. Same goes for @Websitesdown, which is disappointing, because he sounded like he had a head on his shoulders for a moment.

I'd have to agree with you. Because literally have know idea what you are trying to articulate. I understand that a difference of opinion gets you upset. It happens when one step outside there echo chamber.

Only if you say the same about capitalism or any other socioeconomic structure. Money is the god, the state/government is the church, and everything else falls underneath. Regardless of how you look at it, that point is irrelevant to the topic.

The point is that morons with zero understanding of economics automatically scream “CoMmUnIsM” anytime someone disagrees with them.

Lest we forget that one of the driving reasons the US declared independence was because of unjust taxes and TARIFFS. So understanding that those claiming “communism” for those that don’t agree with what’s happening, are probably on the redcoats’ side.

I'm not really a person who generalize groups of people. This is why I'm not calling anyone or groups of people names.
I simply pointed out to you the difference between opinion and a religion ie: communism.

I'm glad that we can agree that America when faced with unjust taxes and tariffs fights back. Now you understand why tomorrow is a very important day for America.
I'm glad we can agree like adults

 

[Websitesdown]

You've obviously never even tried to open a dictionary before, so there's no point explaining it to you. In myopic worldview, they're all just interchangeable words you use to describe things that upset your delicate sensibilities. Same goes for @Websitesdown, which is disappointing, because he sounded like he had a head on his shoulders for a moment.

You're just a communist. Bash me all you want. Your opinion no longer matters to me.

 

[timestamped]

In this episode yesterday, Derek talked about how the historically 2.5% tariff rate allowed Americans to import many interesting vehicles from foreign markets that otherwise might never have made it stateside, how going forward that may not be a viable choice, and too bad for the enthusiast.

There’s also a nice video clip of Ronald Reagan explaining why high tariffs are not good at accomplishing their long term goal.

 

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[Cueyo]

Sounds like a lot of people have an incredibly modern view of political philosophy here. The modern definition of communism has passed through enough progressive filters that most don't realize that it started out as a solution to a moral problem posed by people like doestoevky years back. To deny communisms religions links is ignorant, but to level the idea that a lot of people are communist is equally as ignorant. There's nuance to this argument, highly suggest people read up on their Russian literature (and others inspired by the same writers). I personally suggest berdyaev and doestoevky.

Point being this thread has been nothing but the blind telling more blind people they're blind lol

 

[Websitesdown]

Sounds like a lot of people have an incredibly modern view of political philosophy here. The modern definition of communism has passed through enough progressive filters that most don't realize that it started out as a solution to a moral problem posed by people like doestoevky years back. To deny communisms religions links is ignorant, but to level the idea that a lot of people are communist is equally as ignorant. There's nuance to this argument, highly suggest people read up on their Russian literature (and others inspired by the same writers). I personally suggest berdyaev and doestoevky.

Point being this thread has been nothing but the blind telling more blind people they're blind lol

I said nothing about religions?
I said nothing about Russia either. You guys are obviously off your rockers. At one point someone here was taking about white privilege.

You guys are nuts.

 

[Cueyo]

I said nothing about religions?
I said nothing about Russia either. You guys are obviously off your rockers. At one point someone here was taking about white privilege.

You guys are nuts.

Referring to touge, mentioned communism is a religion, same for Russia. Context sir, sorry

Pot and kettle once again

 

[Tougefl5]

Referring to touge, mentioned communism is a religion, same for Russia. Context sir, sorry

Pot and kettle once again

Being that the ultimate goal of communism would be the whole world in the utopia of it. The way to achieve it would be through socialism.
Heaven to a catholic is what communism is to a socialist.
To dispute the similarities would mean one doesn't understand the concept to begin with.
I'd encourage you to continue your reading.

 

[Cueyo]

Being that the ultimate goal of communism would be the whole world in the utopia of it. The way to achieve it would be through socialism.
Heaven to a catholic is what communism is to a socialist.
To dispute the similarities would mean one doesn't understand the concept to begin with.
I'd encourage you to continue your reading.

Lucky for you, I am not one to dispute things I do not fully comprehend like the various pots and kettles here.

Continue the good fight commander touge 🫡

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