FL5 vs Elantra N DCT

[Jester04]

Thank you! Good to see some stock dynos posted seriously. I just installed the stage 2 phearable which they claim to have reached 380whp / 390tq with stock everything. Tempted to dyno it honestly. I've done no other mods yet.

Dyno it and report back

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[savagegeese]

Tomorrow we shoot the CTR vs the 65k Corolla, that should be very interesting.

 

[Jester04]

Tomorrow we shoot the CTR vs the 65k Corolla, that should be very interesting.

Looking forward to it!

 

[spectre186]

My prediction, rear diff will overheat lol

 

[BigBird]

My prediction, rear diff will overheat lol

or car goes over 85mph and catches fire

 

[Tougefl5]

What do you mean $10k isnt gonna sway anyone...that's over 20% off the FL5 MSRP

In other words that could be a $150-$200 difference per month on a lease or finance, that's enough to understand why someone would choose the N

If 150-200$ a month has a profound affect on a financial decision. Then one probably shouldn't make that decision.
Exactly why I said has the means.

 

[superporpoise]

As bad as some people want the EN to be a true comp to the CTR, it's not.

I think it's the opposite. CTR drivers don't want the EN to be a true competitor but it is.

The CTR is faster around a track — it's lighter and has more power and wider tires. But it's not that much faster.

Where the CTR wins in my mind is a more timeless design, a better form factor, and a better transmission. But another buyer might prefer that they can get more laps out of the EN without overheating, or a more daily-friendly suspension, or having a car that doesn't sound terrible. Or saving $10K+. At the end of the day they are both good cars and there are good reasons to choose both.

 

[Robo7]

I think it's the opposite. CTR drivers don't want the EN to be a true competitor but it is.

Are a lot of people cross shopping the EN with the Type R? To me the EN would be cross shopped with a GTI, SI, or base WRX. And no doubt it dominates performance wise against those options. If my budget were $35,000, and I didn’t care about how my car looks, I would be very tempted by the EN. I was cross shopping the FL5 with the GRC, ITS, and German cars. Never once did I consider the EN. Maybe I’m just weird.

 

[superporpoise]

Are a lot of people cross shopping the EN with the Type R? To me the EN would be cross shopped with a GTI, SI, or base WRX. And no doubt it dominates performance wise against those options. If my budget were $35,000, and I didn’t care about how my car looks, I would be very tempted by the EN. I was cross shopping the FL5 with the GRC, ITS, and German cars. Never once did I consider the EN. Maybe I’m just weird.

I think it depends on the person and situation. I was cross-shopping cars under $80K or so that were fun, practical, felt like a good value for what you got, available at MSRP, and would hold their value decently. I ended up buying an EN, FL5, and RS3 — and passed on ITS and GRC because they didn't feel worth the price to me. But yes many people have a hard limit on what they want to or are able to spend and just find the best thing in that price range. Of course "best" is subjective — I can totally see a case for GTI or WRX over EN, for example.

A lot of people discount the EN because it's Hyundai, or because it's ugly, or because they read something online. Which is totally fine — if you can't live with being seen in a Hyundai then buying one would be a bad decision. I don't really care that much about brand or "heritage" and I like to drive a car to find out what I think about it. One day I decided to test drive an EN and that drive sold me.

 

[spectre186]

I definitely considered the EN when shopping for the CTR. As a father of 2 and single income family, it was hard to pass up the value proposition of the EN. Especially as a practical, do everything car that is track capable.

 

[RickyJeezus]

If 150-200$ a month has a profound affect on a financial decision. Then one probably shouldn't make that decision.
Exactly why I said has the means.

I would argue your main point, “someone who can afford a $40k car” which covers almost every new car buyer. I believe the average new car price is now over $40k easily, do you think every individual buying a new car today won’t care to save up to $200 a month for a nearly similar product? I think even people making deep into the 6 figures would be interested in saving that kind of money per month, and that would be a way above average consumer.

Obviously we are both just speculating, but I think to say a $10k difference on a $45k car shouldn’t sway somebody is crazy.

 

[optronix]

I would argue your main point, “someone who can afford a $40k car” which covers almost every new car buyer. I believe the average new car price is now over $40k easily, do you think every individual buying a new car today won’t care to save up to $200 a month for a nearly similar product? I think even people making deep into the 6 figures would be interested in saving that kind of money per month, and that would be a way above average consumer.

Obviously we are both just speculating, but I think to say a $10k difference on a $45k car shouldn’t sway somebody is crazy.

It's not crazy. $200 a month should NOT be a substantial amount of money for anyone looking at buying a Civic Type R.

 

[Tougefl5]

I would argue your main point, “someone who can afford a $40k car” which covers almost every new car buyer. I believe the average new car price is now over $40k easily, do you think every individual buying a new car today won’t care to save up to $200 a month for a nearly similar product? I think even people making deep into the 6 figures would be interested in saving that kind of money per month, and that would be a way above average consumer.

Obviously we are both just speculating, but I think to say a $10k difference on a $45k car shouldn’t sway somebody is crazy.

You realize that people now are just getting them for msrp. So that means that the majority paid over msrp. So it really makes your argument a moot point lol

 

[RickyJeezus]

It's not crazy. $200 a month should NOT be a substantial amount of money for anyone looking at buying a Civic Type R.

$200 a month in a vacuum is not a substantial amount of money…but comparing 2 similar products, having one for example at $800/mo and the other at $600/mo is a substantial difference. My initial point is that a $10k price difference from a $45k car is a substantial difference, enough to justify purchasing an N over a Type R. I don’t think im making a crazy statement by saying that, it’s simple math.

 

[RickyJeezus]

You realize that people now are just getting them for msrp. So that means that the majority paid over msrp. So it really makes your argument a moot point lol

That’s true, I do believe the FL5 had a wealthier buyer, my knowledge is that the majority of FK8 buyers were making a “stretch purchase” but that doesn’t change the fact that a $10k discount from a $45k msrp for a car that performs almost identically is a huge difference. At that point you can’t argue with someone choosing the N over the FL5 because it is a big enough gap between msrp to justify it

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