Acura Integra Damper Module

[TypeRD]

@DustyDan I think that’s an accurate assessment and you brought up the best point : With the ITS ADS, you basically have 3 settings for street use and no longer have a true track purpose setting i.e. +R mode. It’s give / take. I can definitely see some people liking one over the other for various reasons (as you said). It’s nice that we have choices! Even if I swap back to the CTR module, I’ll probably keep the ITS module handy.

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[AZCWTypeR]

After running the ITS module for several months, I agree comfort mode is under damped. However, many mountain roads in my area are less than perfect and the car has never felt too loose. The CTR's high spring rate keeps the chassis in check. Nobody stays my rail in the mountains, and there are plenty of sports cars and bikes up from Phoenix on the weekends.

 

[AZCWTypeR]

BTW, Yavapi County, AZ has several roads that rival or surpass Tail of the Dragon, with less traffic (and better views... when going slow). Guard rails are often nonexistent, with steep cliffs, and occassional law enforcement (in the middle of nowhere), so proceed at your own risk. Also, winter storms bring snow and ice, but usually back to black asphalt in a day or two.

 

[TypeRD]

Haha yeah not gonna lie I don’t remember it being as late as it was, I really had to push it to get the beeeeep

Haha! Embarrassed myself twice today.

1. The redline shift “beep” works! The problem was indeed me (shifting too early).

2. In my test, to make sure I induced the “beep,” I found that the rev limiter works too!

 

[MooMoo]

Haha! Embarrassed myself twice today.

1. The redline shift “beep” works! The problem was indeed me (shifting too early).

2. In my test, to make sure I induced the “beep,” I found that the rev limiter works too!

hahaha well at the end of the day it works and that is all that matters, now let it BEEP!

 

[BigBird]

Does anyone know if the DE5 ADS module also affects the steering modes?

I swear it feels a tick slower like it did in my DE5

 

[TypeRD]

Does anyone know if the DE5 ADS module also affects the steering modes?

I swear it feels a tick slower like it did in my DE5

I don’t sense any difference in steering…but what you’re saying makes sense. I mean, steering feel is obviously affected by the suspension. As the suspension is a little softer (with the ITS ADS), then steering might feel a bit softer / slower even if it’s not actually slower.

 

[BigBird]

I don’t sense any difference in steering…but what you’re saying makes sense. I mean, steering feel is obviously affected by the suspension. As the suspension is a little softer (with the ITS ADS), then steering might feel a bit softer / slower even if it’s not actually slower.

Car And Driver when they did their comparison had said the steering modes were slower in the DE5, and since it's electric, the rate could be programmed, and to your point also because it's softer. It definitely feels a bit off.

Would love to know if it's my head or actually different.

 

[MooMoo]

Would like to know as well. I have not really noticed a difference but might not be as sensitive to it as you.

was just watching that video of sema that was posted and there is an interview with the dudes that make that suspension controller and he is talking about being able to control steering with, that controller replaces the ADS so it seems that steering is definitely controller by that so you might be onto something and be right about steering being slightly changed.

 

[BigBird]

Would like to know as well. I have not really noticed a difference but might not be as sensitive to it as you.

was just watching that video of sema that was posted and there is an interview with the dudes that make that suspension controller and he is talking about being able to control steering with, that controller replaces the ADS so it seems that steering is definitely controller by that so you might be onto something and be right about steering being slightly changed.

After driving it again this morning, it's definitely different and more on the "lazy" size of things. +R steering before the module swap was a lot more tighter, and harder for me to turn in regular everyday low speed driving. Now it's a little more than Sport steering was.

this is from C&D on the Type S: "The electric-power-steering assist maps have also been retuned, and while response is still razor sharp in all three drive modes, Comfort's effort levels are now a tad lighter than we prefer. "

and now that makes me feel that steering is also a part of the ADS module.

 

[MooMoo]

I may have missed it, but I recall the guy in that sema video saying that their suspension controller ONLY controls the suspension (while everything else is left alone and operates as normal).

That said, it doesn’t really tell us if the Honda/Acura ADS modules directly affect steering or if it is just an effect of the suspension settings being different. It would be cool if someone could look at and compare the code between the ITS and CTR in that respect.

I understood the opposite



cued it to the part where he says if you want more or less sensitivity



I agree with you that the only way to know is to compare code, same with the differences btw the suspension modes, it would be awesome to see how different they really are, now its all butt dyno.

My other thing is that I actually like steering in comfort, I subscribe to the you get more feedback in comfort than sport or +R, they just add fake heavyness. I need to do more testing on this, it was definitely VERY noticable on my last car (M2), less on this car, would like to know what yall think, maybe I am crazy lol

 

[johnnybags]

It looks like the EPS tuning may stored in the EPS motor itself, if I'm interpreting the "rewriteable" portion of the part description correctly (to be fair, there's a good chance I'm not.) If someone has access to Honda's tech manuals/wiring diagrams, they could probably answer this easily by looking at the pinout for the ADS module.

 

[TypeRD]

@MooMoo
Thanks! Weird…toward the beginning he said it affects suspension ONLY. Maybe he misspoke or forgot the detail that steering is also somehow affected (until later when explaining the customization settings). Note that the guy working the booth said he’s not technically inclined either. I think he’s likely a marketing guy and not an engineer…so he doesn’t intimately know the details of how everything works. It’s a good data point that points toward the ADS affecting steering, but the skeptic in me (and you too) want to see the actual proof (the data), if any.

Personally, I like the steering in sport. Comfort feels just a tad too light to me (with both the ITS and CTR ADS modules). Technically, in Comfort, the electric power steering assist is kicking-in more, isn’t it? So the heavier steering in Sport and +R is actually an effect of less electric assist, I believe. Admittedly I’m not entirely certain how the whole system works.

 

[TypeRD]

After driving it again this morning, it's definitely different and more on the "lazy" size of things. +R steering before the module swap was a lot more tighter, and harder for me to turn in regular everyday low speed driving. Now it's a little more than Sport steering was.

this is from C&D on the Type S: "The electric-power-steering assist maps have also been retuned, and while response is still razor sharp in all three drive modes, Comfort's effort levels are now a tad lighter than we prefer. "

and now that makes me feel that steering is also a part of the ADS module.

It certainly sounds like the steering modes may also controlled by the ADS…which I tend to agree with you, makes a lot of sense. Handling is both a product of steering and suspension setup (and wheels/tires of course). You track your car too, so I can certainly see why you’d be more sensitive to steering input / feedback than some others, including me.

Hopefully someone can shed some light on how/where steering is being controlled and what the differences in programming are (between ITs and CTR ADS).

 

[DeVo]

Did this swap today. After going crazy trying to get the 10mm out of the bottom rear seat I gave up and left it. Turns out I didn't even need to remove it. Just unclipped it and had plenty access. Not sure why everyone is removing it.

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