Just another example of why people shouldn't hold track records at face value. Every manufacturer bends the rules on what is "stock" when setting these records and its never the same build you will see at dealerships.just saying, Honda didnt stated what tires they used for Suzuka record, and there is possibility they put Cup2C on it, have a look at this media photo. the sidewall is different from Honda Ver. ps4s and the aftermarket ver. ps4s. It looks really like Cup2c sidewall, just checkout Tirerack page, you will see the resemblance. the 2nd photo shown is besopke ps4s and aftermarket version.
https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/all-new-2023-civic-type-r-sets-new-suzuka-circuit-lap-record-.50631/
and when the record is released, media photo shows there are both red Recaro seats , but suddenly the passenger red seat is gone in some photo, you can download 4K photo on Honda press release website. it looks more like a pre production vehicle, we dont exactly know how stock it is, just like the fk8 nurburgring record, they later admitted they delete rear seat and put cup2 on it. OTOH the fk8 LE time seems more legit with proper cup2, lighter BBS wheel and more aggressive damper setting to support that extra grip
That and digital gauge cluster! Interior is such a big improvement- the whole thing is upgraded really.
Haha i love it, nothing beats going to mac for a moonview with cheese!!!
agreed, definitely handing this down to my 5 year olds…
Motion ratios for MacPherson strut suspensions is all very close to 1. Motion ratio of the ITR is about 1.5:1. If you want to stick to MacPherson strut suspensions, that's fine but again the FK8 CTR spring rate is still quite low for a performance application. It's still the reason why the car bounces so severely during longer turns in addition to the 30 profile tires they decided to equip the FK8 with. The FL5 gets slightly taller sidewall 265/30/19 profile tires but we're not 100% sure here if this is the same problem or if the electronics also kicked in to exacerbate the bounce problem. First thing anyone should do for their track set of wheels though is downsize the wheels to 18" and get more sidewall.
just thought you interests in the track performance because you bringed up Suzuka. if you dont that's fine
Sidewalls look thicker on the FL5 with aftermarket wheels (265/35R18) because they are. OE FL5 tires are 265/30R19. Rarely do people swap wheels to the same size as OE on the CTR.just saying, Honda didnt stated what tires they used for Suzuka record, and there is possibility they put Cup2C on it, have a look at this media photo. the sidewall is different from Honda Ver. ps4s and the aftermarket ver. ps4s. It looks really like Cup2c sidewall, just checkout Tirerack page, you will see the resemblance. the 2nd photo shown is besopke ps4s and aftermarket version.
https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/all-new-2023-civic-type-r-sets-new-suzuka-circuit-lap-record-
and when the record is released, media photo shows there are both red Recaro seats , but suddenly the passenger red seat is gone in some photo, you can download 4K photo on Honda press release website. it looks more like a pre production vehicle, we dont exactly know how stock it is, just like the fk8 nurburgring record, they later admitted they delete rear seat and put cup2 on it. OTOH the fk8 LE time seems more legit with proper cup2, lighter BBS wheel and more aggressive damper setting to support that extra grip
That seems like a slightly conspiratorial take on it. When you say they “later admitted” the weight adjustment, that makes it sound like they first tried to hide something and were later forced to say it. In actuality, the roll cage and Cup 2 tires were in the official press release. They were quite up front about how the roll cage added weight and they removed stuff to get the weight back to the stock range. That’s totally fair considering you need the roll cage for safety particular after some serious accidents in other Honda prototypes.just saying, Honda didnt stated what tires they used for Suzuka record, and there is possibility they put Cup2C on it, have a look at this media photo. the sidewall is different from Honda Ver. ps4s and the aftermarket ver. ps4s. It looks really like Cup2c sidewall, just checkout Tirerack page, you will see the resemblance. the 2nd photo shown is besopke ps4s and aftermarket version.
https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/all-new-2023-civic-type-r-sets-new-suzuka-circuit-lap-record-
and when the record is released, media photo shows there are both red Recaro seats , but suddenly the passenger red seat is gone in some photo, you can download 4K photo on Honda press release website. it looks more like a pre production vehicle, we dont exactly know how stock it is, just like the fk8 nurburgring record, they later admitted they delete rear seat and put cup2 on it. OTOH the fk8 LE time seems more legit with proper cup2, lighter BBS wheel and more aggressive damper setting to support that extra grip
Yep it kinda sound like that way at first, let me elaborate what I mean. In the press release, Honda only said it's “street legal, track-focused tires”, which can referring to many lower priced non-semi-slick performance tires, for example PS4s, a really good track day choice/excellent road used tire that release in 2017. iirc, Honda(not NA region account) had sent a tweet saying the tire is Cup2(180 semi slick), I really try to find that tweet. Anyway, various magzines had asked Honda, and it was comfirmed the tire is Cup2. For the roll cage part, yes, I forget to check original press release, Honda said there is roll cage with no rigidity added. it is 100% reasonable for track, but if that's weld-in cage, how can it not add rigidity? that's what I mean by Behind the scene, no one can really tell. Just for fun, can anyone find anything is off from this pic？
