EVS Tuning Ball Joint Install!

[PointByPatrol]

On the hunt for some more camber, and these ball joints gave me tons! My preliminary alignment readings were over 4 degrees of camber, which is way more than I want! I have these joints set in the most aggressive setting and plan to move them to the middle setting instead! Install is pretty easy! Plan on an hour to an hour and a half! Car is on stock suspension with the strut pins pulled! My goal is to hit roughly -3.2 degrees of camber, which is easily doable with this kit!

Alignment alert!!! You will need one immediately following install!!!

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[svvitch]

Good some motivation to tackle this install just what I needed

 

[RacingIsLife]

Hell yeah now I'll know what to do with mine

 

[optronix]

I'll be doing these soon, just wondering if I want to do this in my driveway or just pay someone to do it.

Any consideration of the EVS vs Whiteline? There's a ~$75 difference just wondering what people's thoughts are there.

 

[treturn]

I'll be doing these soon, just wondering if I want to do this in my driveway or just pay someone to do it.

Any consideration of the EVS vs Whiteline? There's a ~$75 difference just wondering what people's thoughts are there.

Just went down this rabbit hole, and from what others have said, the way you adjust to different settings in the Whitelines is a PITA. I ended up with the EVSs but have yet to install.

 

[optronix]

Just went down this rabbit hole, and from what others have said, the way you adjust to different settings in the Whitelines is a PITA. I ended up with the EVSs but have yet to install.

The EVS are on the way. Thanks for the feedback though!

 

[optronix]

Install completed today. -3.5 degrees on the most aggressive setting. Stock except for Eibach Pro-kit springs; i.e., no strut pins pulled.

After playing around with the settings a bit, it turns out that each of the 3 settings pretty accurately reflects a deviation of 1 degree past the factory setting, with the least aggressive setting actually being -0 degrees, or the equivalent of the factory setting. So basically, whatever camber you're at today, just subtract 1 degree for the middle setting, or 2 degrees for the most aggressive setting, and leave it in the least aggressive setting if you want to stay where you're at.

It also says all of this in the PDF instructions.

 

[treturn]

Install completed today. -3.5 degrees on the most aggressive setting. Stock except for Eibach Pro-kit springs; i.e., no strut pins pulled.

After playing around with the settings a bit, it turns out that each of the 3 settings pretty accurately reflects a deviation of 1 degree past the factory setting, with the least aggressive setting actually being -0 degrees, or the equivalent of the factory setting. So basically, whatever camber you're at today, just subtract 1 degree for the middle setting, or 2 degrees for the most aggressive setting, and leave it in the least aggressive setting if you want to stay where you're at.

It also says all of this in the PDF instructions.

That’s awesome to hear about the preciseness. I have pins pulled and maxed right now with -1.8 driver and -1.65 passenger, so being able to KNOW I can basically get -2.6 even on the front is an anxiety saver. Am I crazy for saying I can visually tell the difference of .15 degrees of camber based on the alignment with each fender?

Probably.

 

[Bazgab]

I have lower ball joints installed (middle setting) and am on Spoon springs with strut pins pulled. Just had an alignment after getting some new tires installed and I was sitting at around -3.3-3.4 degrees or so before the tech adjusted my upper mounts to get to my -2.5 degree target on the front.

Great upgrade and glad I have some room to play with if I go with a more aggressive setup in the future.

 

[optronix]

I think adjustable lower ball joints are a REQUIREMENT for anyone with springs that wants to do any sort of competitive driving. The difference is noticeable on the street, but I can't wait to get this thing out to an autocross or HPDE. I noticed the increased understeer almost immediately during my last autocross (first one after the springs install) and it literally turned me off to driving the car hard lol... that's an extreme response I know, but I felt like I ruined it and regretted not going the coilover route, despite the move to springs being sort of intentional because I wanted to at least try to keep the adaptive dampers. I really wish I would have just done these along with the springs, so ANYONE tracking this thread with only springs installed, take notice lol.

To elaborate a bit more, my camber with the stock settings and Eibach Pro-kit alone was -1.5 in the front, -2.5-2.7 in the rear. The difference after installing the springs is subtle and under 90% of normal circumstances not really noticeable at all. I'd go so far to say it's not noticeable on the street... or at least you'd have to be really hooning it and honestly a little more understeer isn't such a bad thing in those circumstances lol. But I did get it out to one autocross, and after the first run I was left scratching my head, wondering why the car just wouldn't turn the way it used to. After the second and third runs though, it was truly frustrating.

That's why I went with the most aggressive setting- time will tell if it's too aggressive; I still have my sacrificial OEM PS4S with a few events left in them before an upgrade to 200 TW tires so my intention is to leave them on for a few months and see how they wear. If it's tolerable I'll leave it at -3.5. Yes the visual difference is noticeable! (Not sure about <.2 degrees though... ) For now I'm still on all-seasons but there are a string of roundabouts near the shop I had the work done, and I hit them at about 6-7/10ths and noticed a pretty significant difference in turn-in already. I don't have enough seat time to say definitively the car is more fun to drive, but so far so good! I primarily do "casual" autocross, but I also intend to get out to an HPDE or two this season and curious how things will go out there- I've had it out to Dominion Raceway a few months after I bought it in '23 and noticed some understeer but thought it was amazingly capable for a bone stock family sedan on a race track. Based off my very small sample size though, whatever understeer I noticed before is almost surely gone!

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